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PostSubject: GLue method for small seedlings   Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:18 pm

Hey all,

I recently attempted to glue some 2 month old ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus to Pereskiopsis.

I found it extremely difficult to glue down without getting glue under the scion. All my attempts failed to take.

Thought i would mention it to others thinking of using it. Probably best for bigger, more mature grafts.


any thoughts?

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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:47 pm

I've only ever seen it used for larger scions like in this example:

http://www.cactiguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17341
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:16 pm

No need for glue or any method of attachment for young seedlings. The sap from both plants will be enough grip to stick them together, just be sure to give the scion a little push to help the air escape and this will create a nice tight seal.

I use this method for plants up to about 1.5-2cm (depending on species... soft skin species you can go bigger), any larger and I attach them with varying methods but never glue.


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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:22 am

Well, I know it's technically the wrong time of year to do much in the world of cacti, but I'm going to give this method a go. Pics to come shortly...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Sat Jun 18, 2011 3:08 pm

Okay, I've now tried three grafts. All are lophs onto trich stocks (probably scop x pach). The smaller scion is about 1.5 cm across, the second is maybe 2.5 cm in width. The stocks are both roughly 10 cm in height.



This one is considerably larger - a 5 cm scion onto 30 cm of trich. The scion had previously been grafted to peres but had suffered some insect attack, hence the scarring. Once the graft has taken, I will hit the plant with a decent systemic and a dose of seasol to try and give the plant a bit of a boost.



Overall, I think that if these grafts are successful that I will continue using this method. I do like how well the cyanoacyrlate glue seals the stock to the scion, and assists in making an "airtight" bond that I have always struggled to achieve with my prior efforts. I also like how strong the bond is even before the vascular bundles have connected. It all seems a lot simpler than arrangements of tape, weights, etc, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Thu Jun 23, 2011 5:01 pm

That last one is a beauty Smile

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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:41 pm

I can't wait to see it take off. It was once suggested to me that a metre-long section of pach would be the idea stock for a humungous loph. I haven't quite got that, but I am curious to observe the growth on this specimen.
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:36 pm

I've since noticed some fairly nasty root mealie activity on a few other mexicans that I have in my indoor collection. I've given them all a good drowning in confidor, and I am at this stage seriously considering grafting many of these plants once they recover. I'm yet to encounter a trich with the dreaded root mealies, however mexicans seem to be a popular target for the little bastards. This might be a way of saving my collection. More to come...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:21 am

Well, I'm definitely impressed by this method. Despite the cool weather, I can state with confidence that all three loph grafts have taken and there is evidence of growth on all. The smallest one has markedly grown, with lovely fresh new growth readily apparent at the crown of the plant.

Given that this technique works on lophs, I'm tempted to try it on a pup or two of a grafted Aztekium that I have...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:50 am

Congrats on your sucess, I find once you have a solid grafting method that works for you and your environment stick with it !!

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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:34 am

I think in this case this method definitely merits further experimentation. I'm liking the fact that the glue both secures the scion to the stock and forms a barrier agains infection by bacteria or fungi at the join.
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:03 pm

Not only do we have growth, but now we also have a bud forming...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:45 pm

As an update, I have seen good growth on all plants, however as predicted the graft onto the large stock has shown by far the most growth of all specimens. It has also bloomed five times.

A real benefit of this technique is the extreme hardiness the grafts have shown - previously, I grew my lophs indoors on a sunny windowsill, and even then I had to contend with mealies and the odd fatality to orange rot. I have had these grafted plants growing outside, fully exposed to the elements and they seem to be loving it, no deaths and even the snails have stayed away.

Now that the warmer months are here, I'm eyeing off four 40cm pach x scop plants that I have - and I must confess I am curious as to whether the glue technique would work on my Aztekium that currently lives on Pereskiopsis (courtesy of Cryptocarpa on this forum), however now looks to be in need of a little boost... I'm off to do some research.
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Wed Oct 26, 2011 7:45 pm

Great work mate and I can answer your question YES graft those little buggers Smile

P.S you are very luck to obtain an Aztekium, I had to grow/graft mine from seed, which was quite a challenge... but as you would know all worth it Smile

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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:34 pm

Photo of the big loph in bloom...



You can't really see it in this pic, but there's also a number of pups forming...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:10 pm

Great work Lach it much be satisfying Smile

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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:17 am

I'll get some pics happening in the morning, but I can say this definitely seems to be a worthwhile technique. At the very least, it seems to work extremely well with loph scions to trich stocks. The challenge will be to see what other species this works for.

Right now I'm eyeing off some Copiapoa and some Harrisia...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:54 pm

As promised, here are the pics. I should point out that when I grafted these lophs I wasn't aiming for super-fash growth; instead I was trying for increased resistance to cold, wet weather and to mitigate the risk of root mealies. As a result, I now have three lophs growing outside, fully exposed to all the elements. I can honestly say that they've never looked happier!





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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:26 pm

Nice work Lachy! That first one has put on some excellent growth since the earlier pics. Still flowering too!!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:43 am

Yeah, it's actually flowered non-stop for the last six months! Trichs appear to be the perfect grafting stock for lophs. I'm hoping to extend this technique to a few other plants - Copiapoa hypogaea for some reason springs to mind as an interesting candidate. I've also got a couple more lophs to play around with.

Harrisia is another stock that I'm gradually propagating up to trial in a similar fashion. From this thread it seems that this is a great stock for a wide variety of plants. At the moment I've got an Ariocarpus trigonus that's not doing too much and the abovementioned Aztekium which is not supposed to be great on Trichocereus (which is something I've wondered about - do the grafts not take or is growth poor?) so I will try both on Harrisia and report back...



Note to self: Harrisia sap is really icky...
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:26 pm

Trichos are definitely my stock of choice for grafting Lophs. They just seem to work well together. I have done a few using superglue which worked quite well. Recently I have done a few smaller grafts (mainly Astro) onto Hylo stocks using superglue also. Looking good so far.

I used to use rubber bands with a band-aid for padding, though I was talking to a collector who has a number of grafts in his collection, and he uses stockings/panty-hos (whatever they are called) and loops them over the spines to hold them in place. I have been trialling this and it seems to work quite well, with little or no damage to the scion.

So, basically I use the glue technique and the stocking technique and have decent results so far.

Those new ones are looking good. Is that a crest I see there?
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:14 pm

Astro onto... something - is definitely on the cards for me soon. I'm thinking I might try it onto Harrisia, however the goopy, stringy sap is really offputting.

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Is that a crest I see there?

Maybe... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:28 pm

The goop could be very handy in the grafting process. It make have glue-like properties, not unlike Peres does. Hmm, that stock just get more and more interesting to me Wink

Larger Astro seedlings to Hylos are pretty good. If you don't have any I should be able to help you out with some of those next season, if interested.

Mysterious...well, definitely keep us updated on these new grafts, especially keen to see the progress of the maybe-crest haha
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PostSubject: Re: GLue method for small seedlings   Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:25 am

Lachy

I remove all sap coming out from cutting face by tissue papers when I use a Harrisia as a grafting stock. If you removed sap, the setting of scion is easier.
The sap is hard to dry and formed black skins which is one of causes of grafting failuer.

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