HomeGalleryFAQRegisterLog in
Latest topics
» Romanian Online Journal - Xerophilia
by eduart Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:37 am

» Is this Opuntia ficus-indica ?
by RoseM Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:31 pm

» Wanted: Pereskia Aculeata (Not Godseffiana)
by EightySeven Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:02 pm

» White spots on my cacti
by cactgustim Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:11 pm

» Problem with cacti
by nzivanovic Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:58 pm

» Free continual trading thread
by chris86 Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:54 pm


Share | 
 

 Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?

View previous topic View next topic Go down 
AuthorMessage
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:16 pm

Hi all
I new here but some of you might know me from other cacti forums but under a different handle (stillman). Anyway here to learn as much as possible about growing cacti. My cacti interests mainly are in grafting. I usually use Echinopsis or Oportunia as a graft but am doing alot of Perskiopsis grafting of late. I recently got some A asterias cultivar seeds from Hello Nasty and have been grafting them onto Peres in the last couple of days, I like to graft seedlings as soon as possible, so some scions were 3 days old,(but that is when I have had my best results with Peres either old scions or really young). Out of 5 grafts made so far, I think 3 will most probably take (I hope). I know Peres bloats the scion but I don't mind the unnatural look. I have read Pereskiopsis isn't the best graft stock for Astrophytum, is there a particular reason as not great strike rate or high early rejection? I am in the middle of trying to propagate from cutting some wild pest Hylocereus that grows in the bush near me for my astros as from my reading it is root stock of choice. Would anyone advice any other stock for Astrophytum? Anyway over the next few months I hope to add to this thread as I will try and take a photo record of my various attempts at getting these seedlings to flower and hopefully seed.

So Hello and thanks in advance for any and all of the information I can learn from this community.

Mick
Back to top Go down
Hellonasty
Admin
avatar

Number of posts : 1824
Location : NSW
Registration date : 2008-04-04

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:00 am

Hey Mick and welcome.

It is good to seeyou here. I find pereskiopsis pretty good for Astros but as you said it bloats them and can cause splitting in asterias. I find hylo the best for me but other people use Harrisia Jusbertii with excellent results. I believe member Hanazono uses Harrisia and his plants are exquisitely grown.

HN.

PS glad the seeds are doing well for you.

_________________

My Cacti Blog, please come visit me.

http://astrophytum-and-friends.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:06 am

YES had excellent germination rate and the trichs are the same but I am growing them on their own roots. Harrisia Jusbertii looks excellent as a graft stock not sure were I can get seeds in Australia from though will have a google tonight. And I have drooled over Hanazono's plants, I actually saw some pics of his A asterias cultivars grown in Russia on Cultivar website..
Back to top Go down
Hanazono
Astromaniac
avatar

Number of posts : 825
Location : SA
Registration date : 2008-09-14

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:33 am

G'morning Mick

I use several types of stocks for seedling grafting actually.
Each stock gives different characters on the scion and I select a specific stock to meet the aimed purpose.
Harrisia jubertii is not true Harrisia. It is a hybrid of Harrisia x Echinopsis.
Jusbertii has both characters of Harrisia and Echinopsis.
When you grafted a young seedling onto jusbertii, the scion will be in flower very early age and many flowers.
This flowering charecter comes from Echinopsis.
Jusbertii tolerates cold climate. The scion grafted on a jusbertii will continue to grow through a year including winter. This character comes from Harrisia.
I use jusberrtii seedlings as stock for the collection of rare cactus seeds only.

I grafted around 80 Ariocarpus seedlings onto Pereskiopsis this year for the testing of a special degrafting method.

Hanazono
Back to top Go down
http://frank-southofaridland.blogspot.com/
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:21 am

I have used hybrid Echinopsis (the little barrel cacti you see see covered in offsets and flowers at Bunnings) for grafting Gymnocalycium mihanovichii cultivars they plump up and flower really early I like these as a stock as they grow rapidly and don't seem to mind ridiculous amounts of water.
Pereskiopsis is amazing for growing certain species, I am trying to use it to produce early flowering plants and build up my seed production and hopefully create a few of my own cultivars (I still have alot of research to do before then though).
The more I learn about cacti and succulents the more I am becoming interested in the flowering process and the amazing flower possibilities ie colours even shapes within new cultivars its quite addictive.
Hanazono your collection is amazing, the photo of your grafted mamarillias flowering gave me a returned interest in my mamarillia collection, often neglected for more exotic species.

I would like to see the results of your Ariocarpus experiment when you take some pics.
Back to top Go down
Hanazono
Astromaniac
avatar

Number of posts : 825
Location : SA
Registration date : 2008-09-14

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:54 pm

Perespilot

There is a known special degrafting method called "Zui tuki oroshi" means degrafting a scion with vascular bandles of the stock. When you grafted a scion on a hylocereus stock, the joint is deeply embeded in the scion. The cutting face of the scion becomes large when you removed the joint completely. This makes more chance of rooting failure.
You can remain a short stock, around 15 mm length, removed soft tissue and vascular bandle only.
Roots come out from the vascular bandle initially when you buried the vascular bandle into pottingmix.
The scion relies on roots from the vacular bandle but the vascular bandle dies eventually because Hylocereus is not a parmanet stock. Roots come out from the scion before the vascular bandle dies.
I did Zui tuki oroshi in 2006 using varius Ariocarpus. They have now own roots.
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus f Rio Verde, Zui tuki oroshi in 2006

I started the derafting test with a short Pereskiopsis stock last year. I believe this also work as same as Zui tuki oroshi.
Ariocarpus kotschoubeyanus f Rio Verde, set in 2011
Rooting medium is crashed and shifted scoria.

I added 10 more kotschoubeyanus and 4 Aztekium ritteri this year


I have tried to add 80 more Ariocarpus scions for the test and completed grafting.
Hanazono
Back to top Go down
http://frank-southofaridland.blogspot.com/
Hellonasty
Admin
avatar

Number of posts : 1824
Location : NSW
Registration date : 2008-04-04

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:23 pm

Wow!! They are amazing Hanazono. That fist kitsch is really great.
I have been using this method and like it very much, I also use the very short stock Method too.

HN

_________________

My Cacti Blog, please come visit me.

http://astrophytum-and-friends.blogspot.com/

Back to top Go down
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:15 pm

that is very interesting, I am using short stock for my peres grafts some only 7cm. I will have to do some research on "Zui tuki oroshi" and other methods of de-grafting for future reference. I got some Super Kabuto seeds today from a commercial seed supplier am interested in seeing how variable the seedlings will be.
HAve gone a bit Astrophytum mad of late.
Back to top Go down
Hanazono
Astromaniac
avatar

Number of posts : 825
Location : SA
Registration date : 2008-09-14

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:23 am

Perespilot

Super kabuto will show the character from very young age.
The photo is 3 months old Super kabuto propagated in natural condition, accommodated in a wet box. The diameter is around 5 mm.
The left one of a seed scale will be a very good super kabuto.

I hope you got a lot of good ones.
Hanazono


Back to top Go down
http://frank-southofaridland.blogspot.com/
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:24 pm

I hopre I got a few good ones too Hanazono, but all will be revealed I guess over the next year. Hanazono are there any good websites you would recomend for information or photos of different cultivars? I have a had a good look through Cactus art and Cultivar e-mag but looking for more specific information on japanese name association with certain cultivars and hybrids od mainly Astrophytum asterias.
Back to top Go down
Hanazono
Astromaniac
avatar

Number of posts : 825
Location : SA
Registration date : 2008-09-14

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:42 am

Perspilot

The website showing Japanese cultivar in English is not so many.
Try to have a look the following site.
Hanazono

http://www.shaboten.com/indexen.html
Back to top Go down
http://frank-southofaridland.blogspot.com/
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:33 am

Very good site I have had a look at this one before. It has an apparent photo of the first original super kabuto. Nice and thank you Hanazono.
Back to top Go down
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:25 pm



So my first update photos, Hellonasty seed stock Astrophytum asterias cultivar grafted around 30th of January I think the scion was probably 3 days old, has thrown what looks like at least 1 offset. Sorry about the photo quality scion is still really small but you get the idea.
Back to top Go down
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:27 pm

I forgot to mention the graft is under lights 18 hours daylight 20 watt cfl and the peres is fed Canna terra nutes, so far so good.
Back to top Go down
Perespilot



Number of posts : 23
Location : Brisbane
Registration date : 2012-01-30

PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:16 pm

Hi again
an update 9 months later I had about 20 grafted in total and in one night I think moth caterpillars ate all but one which as you can imagine made me rather sad and angry lol.

So doing very well hopefully will flower before the end of Summer but not sure. I will probably leave it on peres and then eventually graft it to Trichocereus.
Back to top Go down
Sponsored content




PostSubject: Re: Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?   

Back to top Go down
 
Hi all new here Astrophytum asteria seedlings on pereskiopsis or other stock?
View previous topic View next topic Back to top 
Page 1 of 1
 Similar topics
-
» Astrophytum asteria cv.red
» WTB Pereskiopsis for grafting stock
» Astrophytum myriostigma cv. kikko
» Astrophytum Seed Available for trade or cash
» frailea castanea on pereskiopsis

Permissions in this forum:You cannot reply to topics in this forum
Australian Cacti Forum :: - :: Specialist Cultivation-
Jump to: