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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:02 pm

Only one way to find out Lewis, i think start it off on say Pereskiopsis, transfer to Hylo then onto say C.Peruvianus, then eventually its own roots....
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:21 am

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What about Harrisia jusbertii. I just got my hands on one of these and on all accounts are very reliable fast growing stocks. Does anyone have exprience ?

harrsia is a very good stock, but is not the best in hot climates....you see a lot of people in europe and NA using this specie for stocks cause its cooler there....here, for example, they are about 2/3 as fast as a myrtle...roughly...

if you are in a shaded or cooler climate, harrisia is a good choice! careful sometimes tehy get all rotty on ya if the humidity is consistantly high. hit and miss it seems. some grow outside year round (this means full blown torrential rain/floods in the typhoons), while others rot when its cloudy (little rain) for a month. weed out the weeklings i guess Smile



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Completely off topic, but, i really want someone to graft a Carnegia to another stock and see how it pumps up and takes off.

i would use a fat stock personally, cause it is a damn huge cactus! if it were me i would use a nice fat Stenocereus. These stocks are SUPER fast growers and can be had very fat (4-5inches accross!). also easy to find Smile but eventually, due to the size, think you will *have* to degraft...or perhaps make the stock short and bury it. Carnegia are just huge.....no two ways about it lol.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:36 am

harrisia sounds like a good stock for my climate. i'll have to try get some Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:47 pm

i would think it would be great in Melbourne and Sydney areas Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:41 pm

Yeah, it sounds well suited to this climate. I haven't seen it around though. everything here is grafted to hylocereus or Trichocereus spachianus.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:13 pm

I managed to find some so it is about. I can give you some at the end of this coming growing season if your still after it, I think I promised Trig some too Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:14 pm

Oh cool, i'll keep on the look for now Wink It sounds good.
cactus-art tells me that Harrisia jusbertii is actually an inter-generic hybrid between Harrisia pomensis and Echinopsis eyresii.
Definitely got echinopsis style flowers.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:34 pm

i just recently bought a Toumeya papyracantha that is grafted to Trichocereus huascha i think. it seems to be an alright stock, and has evidently really pushed the Toumeya along and induced it to produce several offsets.
perhaps T.huascha would be comparable to T. spachianus in terms of stock qualities? It does look similar.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:12 pm

Hellonasty - in your first post you mention trying out
Opuntia as a stock - and that you would report back later - I have
recently experimented with opuntia so far with little or no growth - just wondering
how you went?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:13 pm

I grafted three smallish plants with Astro cultivars. Only one took and has been growing really slow due to the weather. I will do a few more in about a month and that should give a better indication. I think the original graft will speed up once the weather warms up. I didn't label it at the time and now i'm not sure what it was ?? Question
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:37 pm

Hello im new to this site and have found it very informative and interesting. Does anyone know where i can get pereskiopsis spathulata? im in west oz,cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:02 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:30 pm

Hi guys,
Just thought I would post some results on so Opuntia grafts I did recently. Out of the 15 I tried 11 of them took. The scion was a variety of small Lophophora (10mm across) small astrophytum myriostigma 10mm across and tiny astrophytum seedlings. All scions seemed to take equally - the larger scions applied with a little bit of pressure. The tiny seedlings just sat on the stock.

Some havenít grown at all and others are going quite well.
One thing I did notice is that the growth on the astrophytum has lots of wool (flocking? - the spots on myriostigma) itís much thicker on the grafted plants. Almost complete coverage on the myriostigma.

I still need to do more experiments but my gut feeling is that opuntia needs a big root area and lots of moisture to be a good stock. Would like to hear from anyone elses experience with this. ?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:19 am

i to everybody , i'm new for this forum, i live in italy
nobody talk about selenicereus as grafting stok!
it's easy to reproduce via cuttings are fantastic for seedling grafting (is possible to graft seedling on unrooted cutting
do not deform the scion like peresk and not lose the leaves the second year or similar things!
my and my friends had some fantastic result whit ario's and copiapoa and this year i have tried with myrios cultivar with nice result to!
sorry for my bed english but i hope to be comprensible!
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Mon Nov 17, 2008 11:06 pm

Hey emanuele and welcome.

I tired a graft on Selenicereus SP but the first one failed so I gave up. Please post some photos of your grafts ! I would love to see them.

How old were the seedlings/plants before you made the grafts and what species ?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:45 am

usualy i use selenicereus for seedling that show the firsts spines, so a little older than the ones i graft on peresk!
for the photos be patient, i needo to learn how to post photos!
usualy i use selenicereus grandiflora, but a friend give me some cuttings of bigger and realy fatter selenicereus that i want to test the next groving season
in my climate the cold resistence of selenicereus (however, of the selenicereus i use) are very needed and ylocereus are not useful like in your climate!
the first cutting of this selenicereus come from a grafted ariocarpus from a german nursery so is tested for cold resistence in an arder climate than my mediterraneo stile!
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:22 am

hello Emanuele!! welcome! (maybe you remember me from the garden forums)
you have amazing plants! post some pics! Smile

heres a grower in paraguay who uses selenicereus as a grafting stock (with awesome results too):
http://www.cactiguide.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8384
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:04 pm

Ok you have both convinced me to give it another shot.. It grows quite rampantly in pots and is branching out everywhere accross the ground in my yard hehe.


Lewis,

When searching around last night I stumbled upon the link above.. What a collection, my god.

have you seen this article before ? Very informative re selenicereus grafting and in particular Gymnos Very Happy (I'm still not convinced) Check out the last few pics, some good growth there !!


http://www.richtstatt.de/gymnos/docs/wick_graft.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:36 pm

yeah ive seen that before. its amazing... the gymnos look so 'immaculate'. i don't actually have any selenicereus though.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:41 pm

Lewis,

Today I have cut and planted mine into pots. I will drop you a line when it re-shoots.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:32 pm

thanks for the link hellonasty. great
little doc.

I have thought about Selenicereus for a while - I have some
started S macdonaldiae and S grandiflorus. mainly
macdonaldiae. some grandiflorus.

While I was cutting them up I did notice how had they were to cut up.
thanks for bringing it to my attention Cortona. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:52 pm

My pal has loads of Aeonium undulatum,
(pic here.. http://palm-trees.org/Kew4/Aeonium_undulatum.shtml)
which he propogates like crazy..
I havn't chopped the rose of one for a look yet, but it seems to me that it could be good as stock.. Anything to suggest otherwise?
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:51 pm

I believe - others may correct me, though - that you cannot graft cacti onto succulents. Nice idea, though.
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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:47 pm

Lachy wrote:
I believe - others may correct me, though - that you cannot graft cacti onto succulents. Nice idea, though.

No, you are correct Lachy, although it may be a good stock for a Succulent scion? I wouldn't know though, I only have about 4 Succulents and a couple of hundred Cacti Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Stocks Vs Stocks   Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:28 pm

Don't let this stop you from experimenting though Lachy.
Every rule has exceptions.

trigonus wrote:


No, you are correct Lachy, although it may be a good stock for a Succulent scion? I wouldn't know though, I only have about 4 Succulents and a couple of hundred Cacti Laughing

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