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PostSubject: Trichocereus Help   Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:46 pm

Ok can anyone explain a little about, or point me in the direction of reading up on Trichocereus. I have been looking around online and pretty much everything sold on eBay is described as 'san pedro' or 'rare' or whatever.
The nursery has one or two types usually, more often the 'blue torch' (I'm not sure which that one is) and these are reasonably priced, but they are fairly thin. I have seen some little panachoi for 6 or 7 bucks there but I would like them to get to a couple of foot before I am eighty.
Anyway I would like to purchase some for later garden planting, and I am not opposed to paying a decent price for stuff, but I am just completely baffled with all the different types...most of my collection consists of barrel cacti
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:36 pm

Olga,

Trichocereus is a difficult species to ID and to get your head around in general. Mainly due to them looking quite similar, the recent change in genus group from "Trichocereus" to "Echinopsis" and in this country not knowing the origin of the plant.


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http://www.columnar-cacti.org/trichocereus/index.html

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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:11 pm

This is a great site for the beginner of tricho's some handy info.
http://www.trichocereus.com/peruvian_torch.htm

But again as HN stated tricho's can be such a massive debate as to what type/hybrid as so many hybrids now been made. for reasons that defer from the interest of this forum much more detailed info can be obtained on other ethno forums as far as hybrids.

But shaman australis have a good selection of tricho's you can buy knowing they will be what they say they are. nearly all tricho's make awesome garden plants very hard to kill em once established. and grow at quite reasonable rates once in good ground and fed often with fert. (put em in the ground!!)

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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:23 pm

Thanks for the links guys. I did just want some nice garden specimens (actually if anyone could id the ones I put in the 'unkillables threads that would be cool but I'll check those sites out of course) because I'll have plenty of space to plant them.
I was looking at the cactus identification site HN and it only seemed to have a couple in the echinopsis category
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:32 pm

HN's link is great, they still using the old grouping so you will find the direct page it opens is where u want to look. great ID of all the REAL tricho's but finding them is the fun part.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:54 pm

Real ones sound fine for now
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:56 pm

Real Tricho species is a bit bold statement as the current thesis is that pachanois and peruvians and more speices have been naturally hybridised.

Olga it's a matter of what you want for you eye, if I am not mistaking. It goes, more or less like this [but of course it pays] :

These are kind of phenotypes in various Trichocereus from the peruvian/pachanoi group. As said, they are so variable that it pays to see what you buy. They are all said to be excellent as grafting stocks

T.bridgesii , slimmer, less ribs, long orange/yellow/browninsh spines, sparce spination, with bluish tones

T. peruvianus , fatter, with bluish tones, dense spination, long, whitish spines, more impressive spine-wise

T. pachanoi , very variable, but usually greeny, even lacking any blueing, spines usually sparcer and shorter than previously mentioned

T. scopoculica, fatty, few ribs, greeny, tiny or absent spines
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:15 pm

The problem is Mutant, they're often incorrectly labeled on eBay. And some are quite expensive, and I have to budget my mad plant buying each week *sigh*
I was looking on the other cactus forum and have seen ones called psycho, eileen, bruce, etc which has just confused the heck out of me, basically i just want a selection of the main or 'basic' ones for the proposed garden.
I have organised to buy a 'san pedro' later in the week and I want to be able to figure out which one it is when I get home

On another note I have often seen ones for sale looking slightly yellowed, should they be avoided or do they bounce back?
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:23 am

I got several tricho clones from oz recently, a variety of trichos from oz is a prize for someone with particular interest for this section of trichocerei . yeah there weren't the best cuts, but they're are relatively cheap. if we mean the same store. they don't label them, incorrectly that's for sure! Get cheap small ones. Once they get going, they're mad!

If you are really interested in aesthetics I would advise to try to find some seed grown species and not some named clone which will have propably been around a long and propably has this black rot thing trichocerei get. But it's not a big problem...

yellow huh? they propably bounce back, but if it's avoidable, avoid them
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:52 am

Yeah I did see this really stringy yellowish one, over a metre tall get snapped up on eBay for $100 so I was figuring they do recover with some care. I found a local with a large collection selling some off at a really reasonable price so I am going to buy a smallish one this week sometime.
I am lucky enough to live (or unlucky according to my wallet ) near a good cacti specialist nursery, which does mainly get 10-12 cm ones, I could probably just start there and hunt down larger ones as I go.
I did get some of those 'penis plants' from eBay about three months ago, and they've gone mad, tripled in size and started growing offshoots (which I had no idea they even did lol) and I just popped all three in a pot together, I think they are definite garden candidates, if only building my garden wasn't six months away
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:12 pm

the most awesome Trichos are rosei 1, rosei 2 , psycho0 ,yowie , and bruce, in my opinion, especially rosei 2, exquisite! ..... these are clones the names are to keep track of them if ever get to cross pollinate with. roseis are peruvianus, psych0o, eileen and bruce are bridgessii , yowie some say is true pachanoi , i really dig yowie fast grower to...collect em all! go nuts! hahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:22 am

Olga, there is no need to get huge ones. Best size for fast growth is 30 cm, but if you buy 4 different 10 cm rooted ones, you will have big plants in 1,5 ~ 2 years, maybe even 1.

Named clones and cloned trichocerei in general might have greater possiblities to carry the trichocerei 'black rot' I mentioned, including the penis plant.
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PostSubject: Re: Trichocereus Help   Thu Feb 11, 2010 11:12 pm

Yeah I don't mind waiting for them to grow, but I have ages until I can start the garden so I have plenty of time.
I did see a whole lot of mature ones down at the nursery, maybe a couple of months ago that had that awful black rot, it was quite scary looking
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